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		<title>By: Frugal living in Grenoble. Part I: Food &#124; Grenoble Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal living in Grenoble. Part I: Food &#124; Grenoble Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I do talk about living in France and the challenges of trying to handle money as an expat (especially paying back my American student loans, most of the topics I cover on Almost Frugal are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cost of Living Here and Abroad, A Possible House Purchase, Loss Leaders &#124; 500 Finance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cost of Living Here and Abroad, A Possible House Purchase, Loss Leaders &#124; 500 Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Frugal: Check out this eye-opening comparison between the cost of living in the United States vs France. How much do households spend in various categories? How much is the cost of living where you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greetings from Facebook — Almost Frugal- a frugal blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greetings from Facebook — Almost Frugal- a frugal blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my post on money in France and the United States, itself the result of a comment from a previous post, got five comments as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Frugal New Yorker</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Frugal New Yorker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool! I look forward to reading &quot;A Tale of Two Budgets&quot; right away. I&#039;ve lived in both NYC and Paris, and most of this seems right to me. Phone/Internet seems to be totally off, though--don&#039;t know where such a plan was when I was looking for internet services in Paris! I ended up piggybacking on someone else&#039;s wireless because I couldn&#039;t afford the 35 euros per month for Internet--cost for TV and phone didn&#039;t even enter into the picture! Also, as a renter, electricity costs killed me in Paris--you usually don&#039;t have to pay that in NYC.

Transportation in Paris was even cheaper for me than the prices quoted, though--the French gov. heavily subsidizes most student expenses. Also, I couldn&#039;t agree more about the cost-value of food (from markets or restaurants) being better in Paris! The French believe that their land has quasi-magical properties that produce high-quality food (they call it their &quot;terroire&quot;), and I think they&#039;re right!
.-= The Frugal New Yorker&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://frugalnyer.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-can-make-that-cheaper.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I can make that cheaper...&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool! I look forward to reading &#8220;A Tale of Two Budgets&#8221; right away. I&#8217;ve lived in both NYC and Paris, and most of this seems right to me. Phone/Internet seems to be totally off, though&#8211;don&#8217;t know where such a plan was when I was looking for internet services in Paris! I ended up piggybacking on someone else&#8217;s wireless because I couldn&#8217;t afford the 35 euros per month for Internet&#8211;cost for TV and phone didn&#8217;t even enter into the picture! Also, as a renter, electricity costs killed me in Paris&#8211;you usually don&#8217;t have to pay that in NYC.</p>
<p>Transportation in Paris was even cheaper for me than the prices quoted, though&#8211;the French gov. heavily subsidizes most student expenses. Also, I couldn&#8217;t agree more about the cost-value of food (from markets or restaurants) being better in Paris! The French believe that their land has quasi-magical properties that produce high-quality food (they call it their &#8220;terroire&#8221;), and I think they&#8217;re right!<br />
<span class="cluv"> The Frugal New Yorker&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://frugalnyer.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-can-make-that-cheaper.html" rel="nofollow">I can make that cheaper&#8230;</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://almostfrugal.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Abigail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abigail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, it sounds like the guy knows what he&#039;s talking about. And it makes moving to Europe sound all the more appealing by the minute. Especially the health care issue. 

Too bad he doesn&#039;t seem to realize that our health care system is &quot;the best in the world&quot; and any socialized medicine is evil and will clearly let seniors and such die rather than provide them with the proper care. 

Seriously, how much work is it to move to France? I&#039;m sure I can pick up French okay. Tim will learn. Sigh.
.-= Abigail&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IPickUpPennies/~3/cXd4sr8b6u0/debt-first-kids-later.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Debt first, kids later?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, it sounds like the guy knows what he&#8217;s talking about. And it makes moving to Europe sound all the more appealing by the minute. Especially the health care issue. </p>
<p>Too bad he doesn&#8217;t seem to realize that our health care system is &#8220;the best in the world&#8221; and any socialized medicine is evil and will clearly let seniors and such die rather than provide them with the proper care. </p>
<p>Seriously, how much work is it to move to France? I&#8217;m sure I can pick up French okay. Tim will learn. Sigh.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Abigail&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IPickUpPennies/~3/cXd4sr8b6u0/debt-first-kids-later.html" rel="nofollow">Debt first, kids later?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://almostfrugal.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s very interesting that Paris rated so well (so low!) in the cost-of-living comparison.  As a traveler, I find Paris much easier on the pocketbook than New York City – and I’ve been to both cities often enough to know how to find bargains.  I have yet to find a decent hotel room in New York for less than $100, but a perfectly clean, safe room in Paris for about 75 € is possible.

But for cost-of-living – like Kelly, I live in Grenoble and find the cost of living here “out in the provinces” significantly cheaper than Paris.  Paris salaries are higher, but so is the cost of everything else, as my Parisian friends have noted.   And Grenoble has a pretty high cost-of-living when compared to other areas I’m told.

I was quite surprised to realize, when I went house-hunting in Grenoble, that although real estate prices were way less than those in Silicon Valley where I last lived (California is way off the map when comparing real estate), they were pretty comparable with those in the Rochester, New York area – and were quite a bit higher than those in other parts of New York State where I have lived before.

My own cost-of-living in Grenoble is comparable to what it was for me in Silicon Valley, more expensive in some ways and less expensive in others.  My electric bill here is staggering.  Electric heat?  Whose bright idea was that?  (France gets a significant amount of electricity from nuclear power, BTW.  I’m old enough to remember the promise of a future with “electricity from nuclear power, too cheap to meter.”  Ha!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s very interesting that Paris rated so well (so low!) in the cost-of-living comparison.  As a traveler, I find Paris much easier on the pocketbook than New York City – and I’ve been to both cities often enough to know how to find bargains.  I have yet to find a decent hotel room in New York for less than $100, but a perfectly clean, safe room in Paris for about 75 € is possible.</p>
<p>But for cost-of-living – like Kelly, I live in Grenoble and find the cost of living here “out in the provinces” significantly cheaper than Paris.  Paris salaries are higher, but so is the cost of everything else, as my Parisian friends have noted.   And Grenoble has a pretty high cost-of-living when compared to other areas I’m told.</p>
<p>I was quite surprised to realize, when I went house-hunting in Grenoble, that although real estate prices were way less than those in Silicon Valley where I last lived (California is way off the map when comparing real estate), they were pretty comparable with those in the Rochester, New York area – and were quite a bit higher than those in other parts of New York State where I have lived before.</p>
<p>My own cost-of-living in Grenoble is comparable to what it was for me in Silicon Valley, more expensive in some ways and less expensive in others.  My electric bill here is staggering.  Electric heat?  Whose bright idea was that?  (France gets a significant amount of electricity from nuclear power, BTW.  I’m old enough to remember the promise of a future with “electricity from nuclear power, too cheap to meter.”  Ha!)</p>
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		<title>By: Kika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in England for a year and a half years ago and two of my sisters just moved back to Canada from England after having lived there for 17 ys and 8 ys. We found the cost of living there crazy compared to Canada and I&#039;d always assumed it would be similar to France. There are some bonuses in the UK that we experienced, though, (apart from the shopping, in my sisters&#039; opinions), namely, that post-secondary education was provided for us virtually free of cost after three years living there (with a UK entry clearance). I came back home to go to school and came out with about $35,000 in student loans while my older sister remained in England and received her education debt-free. The other thing I remember being considerably cheaper was junk food! Not very helpful :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in England for a year and a half years ago and two of my sisters just moved back to Canada from England after having lived there for 17 ys and 8 ys. We found the cost of living there crazy compared to Canada and I&#8217;d always assumed it would be similar to France. There are some bonuses in the UK that we experienced, though, (apart from the shopping, in my sisters&#8217; opinions), namely, that post-secondary education was provided for us virtually free of cost after three years living there (with a UK entry clearance). I came back home to go to school and came out with about $35,000 in student loans while my older sister remained in England and received her education debt-free. The other thing I remember being considerably cheaper was junk food! Not very helpful <img src='http://almostfrugal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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